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Disappointing dive site, some weird vibes
Croatia Divers Vela Luka的点评
点评：My 14yr old daughter and I are "early intermediate" divers with AOW/JrAOW certification and 30ish dives logged each. We came to Croatian Divers for a 1-day 2-dive experience near the end of our holiday where we had completed 6 dives elsewhere in Vis and beyond on the trip.
Overall we had an odd and ultimately disappointing experience, and I cannot recommend this center.
The most disappointing part of the experience was the site they sent us to. We were the only 2 divers that day and shared boat with 2 snorkelers. We went to a site maybe 5-10 min out from the dive center. It was a little cove where there were already some swimmers (including a dog) who had driven there by car. The 1st dive consisted of us going left off the boat, along a shallow rock wall, then doubling back. Rock formations were mildly interesting and saw a few small critters, but we spent about 60% of the dive in an area at less than 3m depth basically snorkeling with scuba equipment and not seeing much.
Meh. I've had booring dives before. Maybe next site will be better. Oh? We're staying at the exact same location and just going to the other side of the cove? And yep. Pretty much identical. Ho-hum normalish shallow dive for 10 minutes along a rock slope at maybe 10m then ascending to 2-3 meters for more snorkeling in scuba equipment. I almost swapped to my snorkel at one point to save air because I could, then realized that would just prolong things.
I felt bad for our dive guide who was trying his hardest to make it interesting for us (all dive guides I interacted with were genuinely nice and helpful). But of the 9 or 10 dive centers I've been to I've never seen one put so little effort into matching us as divers to a potentially interesting/appropriate dive site. This would have been lovely for an Intro to Scuba or Open Water skills dive, but I left feeling like we paid 250 Euro for what I could have gotten for free by driving an extra 1km past the dive site over to the beach and jumping in with a snorkel and the dog.
Now for the odd stuff. Didn't ruin the experience, but gave weird vibes.
- A lot more "safety" rules than any other dive site I've been to, some quite sensible others felt like posturing
- Strict specific procedures for a number of things from how to pack your crate, to being asked to swap side of boat for balance while docked, motionless, level and just waiting to step ashore, to an odd/unclear division of responsibilities of gear prep between the diver and the staff, to 5 pages of waivers to sign (1 maybe 2 is typical).
- I got a 5 minute pitch from owner Bobby on whether we need a refresher dive "I know you dove recently but I tell this to all the divers". We had literally logged 6 dives in the last 6 days and despite me telling this to him up front, I got the full pitch anyhow, and politely declined.
- Owner suggested that I may want to shave my 4-day vacation stubble before I dive (presumably some worry about mask seal??)
- Multiple discussions about contact lenses (we both have) and how they are "not recommended" though they'd let us dive with them since we have experience with them. Good question to ask whether we have them, sure, but done very oddly.
- A few weird comments from staff about how Bobby doesn't like this or that, and watching Bobby micromanage some of their procedures made me realize I would never want to work for Bobby.
- My wetsuit and boots were near the end of what I'd consider their service life.
- No complimentary water on boat or in facility
- Deposit payable by card in advance (slightly unusual), but day-of needs to be cash (not communicated until we got there)
- Quick responsive communication via email, but missed some key details (e.g. cash only, telling us to arrive at 11:45 but not mentioning our dives didn't start until 1:30, BYO water policy etc.)
I could see this place being fine, maybe good even, for initial dives or certification, but we did not get the experience we were looking for.
Overall we had an odd and ultimately disappointing experience, and I cannot recommend this center.
The most disappointing part of the experience was the site they sent us to. We were the only 2 divers that day and shared boat with 2 snorkelers. We went to a site maybe 5-10 min out from the dive center. It was a little cove where there were already some swimmers (including a dog) who had driven there by car. The 1st dive consisted of us going left off the boat, along a shallow rock wall, then doubling back. Rock formations were mildly interesting and saw a few small critters, but we spent about 60% of the dive in an area at less than 3m depth basically snorkeling with scuba equipment and not seeing much.
Meh. I've had booring dives before. Maybe next site will be better. Oh? We're staying at the exact same location and just going to the other side of the cove? And yep. Pretty much identical. Ho-hum normalish shallow dive for 10 minutes along a rock slope at maybe 10m then ascending to 2-3 meters for more snorkeling in scuba equipment. I almost swapped to my snorkel at one point to save air because I could, then realized that would just prolong things.
I felt bad for our dive guide who was trying his hardest to make it interesting for us (all dive guides I interacted with were genuinely nice and helpful). But of the 9 or 10 dive centers I've been to I've never seen one put so little effort into matching us as divers to a potentially interesting/appropriate dive site. This would have been lovely for an Intro to Scuba or Open Water skills dive, but I left feeling like we paid 250 Euro for what I could have gotten for free by driving an extra 1km past the dive site over to the beach and jumping in with a snorkel and the dog.
Now for the odd stuff. Didn't ruin the experience, but gave weird vibes.
- A lot more "safety" rules than any other dive site I've been to, some quite sensible others felt like posturing
- Strict specific procedures for a number of things from how to pack your crate, to being asked to swap side of boat for balance while docked, motionless, level and just waiting to step ashore, to an odd/unclear division of responsibilities of gear prep between the diver and the staff, to 5 pages of waivers to sign (1 maybe 2 is typical).
- I got a 5 minute pitch from owner Bobby on whether we need a refresher dive "I know you dove recently but I tell this to all the divers". We had literally logged 6 dives in the last 6 days and despite me telling this to him up front, I got the full pitch anyhow, and politely declined.
- Owner suggested that I may want to shave my 4-day vacation stubble before I dive (presumably some worry about mask seal??)
- Multiple discussions about contact lenses (we both have) and how they are "not recommended" though they'd let us dive with them since we have experience with them. Good question to ask whether we have them, sure, but done very oddly.
- A few weird comments from staff about how Bobby doesn't like this or that, and watching Bobby micromanage some of their procedures made me realize I would never want to work for Bobby.
- My wetsuit and boots were near the end of what I'd consider their service life.
- No complimentary water on boat or in facility
- Deposit payable by card in advance (slightly unusual), but day-of needs to be cash (not communicated until we got there)
- Quick responsive communication via email, but missed some key details (e.g. cash only, telling us to arrive at 11:45 but not mentioning our dives didn't start until 1:30, BYO water policy etc.)
I could see this place being fine, maybe good even, for initial dives or certification, but we did not get the experience we were looking for.
翻译：我和14岁的女儿都是“初级中级”水平的潜水员，我们都持有AOW/少年AOW证书，各自也都有大约30次的潜水记录。假期快结束时，我们来到Croatian Divers中心，打算体验一天内进行两次潜水的活动。在此之前，我们已经在维斯岛及其他地区完成了6次潜水。
总的来说，这次体验相当糟糕且令人失望，我绝不推荐这家潜水中心。
最让人失望的是他们为我们安排的潜水地点。那天只有我们两个潜水员，还和两个浮潜者同乘一条船。我们前往的潜水点距离潜水中心大概5到10分钟船程。那是一个小海湾，已经有一些开车前来游泳的人（包括一只狗）。第一次潜水时，我们从船上向左游去，沿着一道较浅的岩壁前行，随后折返。那里的岩石形态还算有点意思，我们也看到了几只小生物。不过这次潜水时，我们大约有60%的时间都在水深不到3米的区域——基本上就是戴着潜水装备浮潜，没看到什么有趣的东西。
唉。我以前也经历过很无聊的潜水。也许下一个潜水点会好一些吧。哦？我们还是待在同一个位置，只是去海湾的另一侧而已？果然，情况也差不多。就是一次很平常的浅水潜水：沿着大约10米深的岩坡潜了10分钟，然后上升到2-3米深的水域，继续戴着潜水装备浮潜。有那么一刻，我差点改用呼吸管来节省氧气，因为那样做是可行的；但随后我意识到那样做只会拖延时间罢了。
我很同情我们的潜水向导，他竭尽全力想让我们觉得这次潜水有趣些（我接触过的所有潜水向导都非常友善且乐于助人）。不过，在我去过的9或10家潜水中心里，还从未见过哪家在为我们这些潜水者挑选有趣且合适的潜水点上如此敷衍了事。这本可以作为潜水入门课程或开放水域技能训练的绝佳地点，但离开时我却觉得：我们花了250欧元，其实只要开车多走1公里，到达海滩后带上呼吸管和狗一起下水，同样能获得同样的体验，简直就是白花钱。
现在来说说那些奇怪的地方。虽然没破坏整体体验，但给人一种诡异的感觉。
- 这里的“安全”规定比我去过的其他任何潜水点都要多。有些做法相当合理，而有些则像是做做样子罢了。
对于诸多事项都有严格且具体的操作程序：从如何打包装备箱，到船只停泊后为保持平衡而要求潜水员更换站立位置（此时船只静止不动且保持水平状态，只待潜水员上岸）；此外，潜水员与工作人员在装备准备方面的职责划分也模糊不清/不明确。另外，还需要签署长达5页的免责条款（通常1到2页就足够了）。店主鲍比花了5分钟来劝说我们再体验一次潜水：“我知道你们最近刚潜过水，但我对所有潜水者都这么说。”实际上，我们在过去6天里已经潜了6次水了。尽管我事先就跟他说明了这一点，他还是滔滔不绝地劝说了一通，而我则礼貌地拒绝了。- 教练建议我在下水前把四天没刮的胡须刮干净（大概是担心影响面镜的密封性吧？？）
- 我们多次谈到隐形眼镜（我们俩都戴），虽然规定是“不建议佩戴”，但由于我们有佩戴经验，他们还是允许我们戴着下水。询问是否佩戴隐形眼镜确实是个不错的问题，但整个交流方式却很奇怪。
- 工作人员还说了一些奇怪的话，比如鲍比不喜欢这个或那个。看着鲍比事无巨细地指挥着各项流程，我意识到自己绝对不想为鲍比工作。
我的潜水服和靴子差不多也到了使用寿命的尽头了。
船上及场馆内均不提供免费饮用水。
需要提前用信用卡支付押金（这点有点不寻常），但当天付款则必须用现金（这一点直到我们到达后才告知）。
通过邮件沟通时回复很快，但遗漏了一些关键细节（比如只接受现金支付）。他们通知我们11:45到达，但并未提及潜水活动要到1:30才开始，也没有说明可以自带水的政策等等。
我觉得这个地方对于初次潜水或考取证书来说应该还行，甚至算不错，但我们并未获得期望中的体验。
总的来说，这次体验相当糟糕且令人失望，我绝不推荐这家潜水中心。
最让人失望的是他们为我们安排的潜水地点。那天只有我们两个潜水员，还和两个浮潜者同乘一条船。我们前往的潜水点距离潜水中心大概5到10分钟船程。那是一个小海湾，已经有一些开车前来游泳的人（包括一只狗）。第一次潜水时，我们从船上向左游去，沿着一道较浅的岩壁前行，随后折返。那里的岩石形态还算有点意思，我们也看到了几只小生物。不过这次潜水时，我们大约有60%的时间都在水深不到3米的区域——基本上就是戴着潜水装备浮潜，没看到什么有趣的东西。
唉。我以前也经历过很无聊的潜水。也许下一个潜水点会好一些吧。哦？我们还是待在同一个位置，只是去海湾的另一侧而已？果然，情况也差不多。就是一次很平常的浅水潜水：沿着大约10米深的岩坡潜了10分钟，然后上升到2-3米深的水域，继续戴着潜水装备浮潜。有那么一刻，我差点改用呼吸管来节省氧气，因为那样做是可行的；但随后我意识到那样做只会拖延时间罢了。
我很同情我们的潜水向导，他竭尽全力想让我们觉得这次潜水有趣些（我接触过的所有潜水向导都非常友善且乐于助人）。不过，在我去过的9或10家潜水中心里，还从未见过哪家在为我们这些潜水者挑选有趣且合适的潜水点上如此敷衍了事。这本可以作为潜水入门课程或开放水域技能训练的绝佳地点，但离开时我却觉得：我们花了250欧元，其实只要开车多走1公里，到达海滩后带上呼吸管和狗一起下水，同样能获得同样的体验，简直就是白花钱。
现在来说说那些奇怪的地方。虽然没破坏整体体验，但给人一种诡异的感觉。
- 这里的“安全”规定比我去过的其他任何潜水点都要多。有些做法相当合理，而有些则像是做做样子罢了。
对于诸多事项都有严格且具体的操作程序：从如何打包装备箱，到船只停泊后为保持平衡而要求潜水员更换站立位置（此时船只静止不动且保持水平状态，只待潜水员上岸）；此外，潜水员与工作人员在装备准备方面的职责划分也模糊不清/不明确。另外，还需要签署长达5页的免责条款（通常1到2页就足够了）。店主鲍比花了5分钟来劝说我们再体验一次潜水：“我知道你们最近刚潜过水，但我对所有潜水者都这么说。”实际上，我们在过去6天里已经潜了6次水了。尽管我事先就跟他说明了这一点，他还是滔滔不绝地劝说了一通，而我则礼貌地拒绝了。- 教练建议我在下水前把四天没刮的胡须刮干净（大概是担心影响面镜的密封性吧？？）
- 我们多次谈到隐形眼镜（我们俩都戴），虽然规定是“不建议佩戴”，但由于我们有佩戴经验，他们还是允许我们戴着下水。询问是否佩戴隐形眼镜确实是个不错的问题，但整个交流方式却很奇怪。
- 工作人员还说了一些奇怪的话，比如鲍比不喜欢这个或那个。看着鲍比事无巨细地指挥着各项流程，我意识到自己绝对不想为鲍比工作。
我的潜水服和靴子差不多也到了使用寿命的尽头了。
船上及场馆内均不提供免费饮用水。
需要提前用信用卡支付押金（这点有点不寻常），但当天付款则必须用现金（这一点直到我们到达后才告知）。
通过邮件沟通时回复很快，但遗漏了一些关键细节（比如只接受现金支付）。他们通知我们11:45到达，但并未提及潜水活动要到1:30才开始，也没有说明可以自带水的政策等等。
我觉得这个地方对于初次潜水或考取证书来说应该还行，甚至算不错，但我们并未获得期望中的体验。
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